In this powerful episode of The Survivors, Lisa and Gretchen unpack the complex, emotional aftermath of losing someone to suicide. They speak from personal experience—offering raw insight, practical support, and the crucial reminder that healing begins with conversation.
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Episode Summary
Lisa and Gretchen dive deep into the emotional toll of suicide loss—a grief experience unlike any other. They share their personal stories, explore common reactions like guilt, anger, isolation, and PTSD, and talk about how societal stigma compounds the pain. Together, they break down what to say, what not to say, and how to truly show up for survivors of suicide loss. If you've ever lost someone this way or are supporting someone who has, this episode is a lifeline.
Lessons Learned
- Suicide loss grief carries unique emotions—shame, blame, anger, and stigma.
- Survivors often don’t recognize they’re trauma survivors, but therapy can reframe the experience.
- People often don’t know how to support a suicide loss survivor, making the grief even more isolating.
- Simple, direct support like saying the person’s name or offering to walk the dog can make a huge difference.
- Avoid harmful clichés; instead, listen without judgment and hold space for real emotion.
Episode Chapters
00:00 – Trigger Warning & Welcome
01:00 – Why Suicide Grief Is Different
04:00 – Guilt, Anger, and the Blame Game
07:00 – The Stigma of Silence
09:00 – Recognizing Trauma and PTSD
12:00 – Social Withdrawal After Suicide Loss
16:00 – Supporting Survivors in Their Grief
19:00 – What to Say (and Not to Say)
22:00 – Four Ways to Show Up for Someone in Grief
26:00 – Resources, Support, and Final Reflections
28:00 – Closing Words of Hope
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please call 988 for support. Well,
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isn't that a pleasure to have you do an actual, real, live,
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professional countdown. Nobody heard it. I was the only one that heard it and saw
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it. But that was a pretty professional countdown that you did. That was exciting
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because. Well, you don't want me to have it on the screen anymore. Yeah, that's
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okay. So we're here again. I love that we just keep coming back
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and keep coming back because there is a lifetime's worth of stuff to talk
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about. Oh, wow. My pink lipstick is looking. That is a pink
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lip gloss. It's pink. Yeah, yeah. You
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can't. You can't see it if this is the audio version. It's glossy. It's very
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glossy. Yeah. I feel very bougie right now, so.
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Hey, G. Hey, girl. So this
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week we're gonna go deep in a different way and
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talk about the emotional toll
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on suicide loss survivors. And
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as someone who has lost three people that I
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love to suicide over the course of my life,
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so it's been a constant thing, constant type of grief.
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I can promise you that it's not like
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all the other kinds of grief. I'm not saying anything is better or
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worse, because grief is grief, and there's nothing good about grief except
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that it means we loved our person. But
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it's hard. Grieving is incredibly draining,
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and especially suicide grief, which I'm glad that we're having this
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conversation to talk about. What makes it so
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unique? I know you have lost people
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that you love to suicide as well, so you know that
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kind of grief personally firsthand.
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And I just think it's important that we explore
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that emotional and psychological aftermath. Because it's an aftermath. Because
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you are blown to bits. I know I was.
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And it takes a lot to pick. Up those pieces
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and, like, a lot of it. For me, it was. The blame game
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is like, why didn't I see the signs?
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Why didn't they open up? Why. Why
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are we just finding out about this now?
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For me, that was the hardest part. Yeah. Yeah. That's a big part of it.
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And when you kind of isolate
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grief, generalized grief, like someone has
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lost a grandparent because they were 94 years old and they drifted away,
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or someone, God forbid, had Cancer or someone was killed
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in an accident. Those are all deep, tragic,
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sad losses. We grieve them, we mourn
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them. They don't have some of the things
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attached to them though that suicide has.
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And I think it's important to name those. Like, as we move into
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this conversation, I think it's important that we just like call those things out
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right now. So when I say that
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suicide is very nuanced. It's
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nuanced because there is guilt that can
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often be attached. What, what didn't
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I see? What signs did I miss? Why didn't I
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help sooner? Those, those things are
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not generally present when someone dies of
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a heart attack or someone dies of natural causes in another way.
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There's, there's anger. Deep, deep
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anger. In a lot of cases for the people who are left
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behind, like, why did you leave me behind? Like, my mother could have been furious.
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My father took his life when My mother
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was 40 years old with a 10 year old child. My mom worked part time
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and he was literally there one day, took his life and was
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gone and left my mother with
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a whole life to manage. She was the
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breadwinner, she was my support system. She was raising a child alones.
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It would not have been unusual for my mother
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to have been furious. In my mom's case, she never was. But a
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lot of people are. There is crazy confusion.
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I know when we, we found out one of our closest friends took his life
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just a little over four years ago. He was one of the people who. You'd
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never see the sign. It's like you never had any idea. Like my dad, you
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didn't know anything was wrong. And you're. I had a friend, one of my
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best friends in the world called me up and said, is it
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true that our friend took his life? I'm like, what are you talking about? Who,
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which friend? Like, I, I wasn't, I didn't even know what he was talking about.
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It's. Your brain is just. Nothing computes
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then like you already talked about. There's shame. It
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can be so shameful and, and the stigma too.
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Because when you, when you go to try and tell people
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that your father, your mother, your brother, your sister or friend,
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that how they died. Like people just clam
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up. They don't know how to talk about suicide.
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Yes, I lost my father to suicide. Yes, I lost my
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mother to suicide. In my case, I lost a cousin to
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suicide. I also lost a classmate to suicide.
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I lost a co worker to suicide. But talking about
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it, there's still stigma around it. People don't want you
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to talk about it. Listen, people, people take
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their lives every day. Every
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day. We've talked about this statistic. You know how I feel about this one particular
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statistic that I've mentioned in at least one episode, maybe more,
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but if you haven't heard me say it, I'll say it again.
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Over 700 people a year take their life in this
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world. And for every one human
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who takes their own life, it's been determined
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through all of the major organizations, all statistically,
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that for every one person who dies by suicide,
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135 people are affected by
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that loss. And those people may include spouse,
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partner, family, children, co workers,
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friends, and that's the average. So, you know, the number goes up and
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down, but it's 135 people on
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average are impacted for every one suicide.
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And yet, like you said, suicide is one of those
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things. Nobody wants to talk about it, nobody
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wants to confront it, nobody wants
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to be affected by it. And yet, if you add those
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two numbers together of how many people die by suicide and how many people are
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affected, that's like 94 million people a year
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are stuck in a place of
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feeling all these feelings about something that happened and no one's talking
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about it. And society
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is not doing us any favors. Every time we don't talk about
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adds to the stigma, it adds to the pain. And
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we need to keep talking about it and we need to realize that there is
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a true emotional toll for the
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survivor. And as you said, it's different than somebody that
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gets killed in a car accident, somebody that dies by cancer, somebody that
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d natural causes. It is different. You are left
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with so many questions in your head
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that sometimes you don't, don't know how to articulate or
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you're afraid to articulate because of how
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somebody might perceive that. Because I'm telling you, the minute you,
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you say the word suicide, people are like, oh, I can't talk about that. Gotta
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go. And look, we
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live in a culture that has created that
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stereotype. It unfairly stigmatizes
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the act of someone dying by suicide.
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So this is how we're all hardwired. It's not because we've all
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chosen to feel this way. It's because society made us feel this way.
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It's because only recently the mental health community as a whole was
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talking about it being okay to not be okay and that
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we have resources and things are in the mainstream now, but for the better part
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of history, it's never been that way. And you want to know something?
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Interesting. And I'm not sure I ever mentioned this last
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season. I know I haven't mentioned it this season so far.
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So I started back into therapy. I was in therapy when I was
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probably 21, 22. It was at that time
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I took a gap year. I didn't know what I wanted to do with my
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life. So I, to a therapist, I talked about my dad, but not in the
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context of suicide. Because if you've never heard my story, I
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didn't know that my father took his life for 35 years. So when I was
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in therapy back in the day, it was just because I didn't know what I
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wanted to do with my life. So I'm back in therapy as of a few
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years ago, mainly to talk about my dad and, and all the
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baggage there with his suicide. Do you know
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that? And this may seem so dumb for people listening, I never
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realized that I was a trauma survivor
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until my therapist reminded me that I was a trauma
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survivor. And I can tell you
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that it took me by such
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surprise. I just. Don't ask me why she said, you're a trauma survivor just
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because you lost your dad as a child. Which of course
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I never, I never saw that. I never knew that. And then she said
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when you found out your dad took his life, you are a full
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on trauma survivor. I didn't know that. That's what
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suicide makes us when we are a survivor
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of that kind of loss. It also
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leads to ptsd. I don't know about you, but it leads to ptsd, it leads
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to anxiety, it leads to depression, people withdraw, leads to
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isolation. There is a big
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psychological impact to this subject that
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you and I talk about every week. And
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that's why it's so important that we talk about it every week.
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And I think of husband and wife teams where either
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the husband has taken his life or the wife,
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their whole social circle was built around
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that marriage. And then having people asking,
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you know, the spouse that survived. How did you not see the
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signs? Like, don't ask those questions
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like we're already grieving. Why couldn't you get them into therapy?
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Okay, if you are anybody, like I was, we, we
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mask up. We don't let on that anything is going on.
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Be kind. It's a, it's a, it's a grief that
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you can't get over because you're already beating yourself up. And then
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you have your social group beating you up. You may
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not realize that you're doing it, but you're beating them up. Yeah, that's a good
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point. That's, that's a very important point. I remember
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being a little kid, you know, I was raised by a, a single mom
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from the time I was 10 years old. And I remember when my mom
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was encouraged to go to this group. God, the funny things that you remember.
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There was this group at the local community center and it was called Alone
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by Choice or Chance. So it was people who were widowed or people who were
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divorced and I don't know, my mom's friends encouraged her
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to go and she was trying to just meet people
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and, and I remember just
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that being like the only thing that she was doing socially was going to that
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group because people just,
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they treat you differently even when they don't mean to treat you differently. You don't
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get the invitations to do the things that you maybe did with your couple
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friends and your life and your circle get very,
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But I do remember that they had their couple
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friends that they socialized with and that just, it's sad.
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It just kind of faded away. And I, I think a lot of it's
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because people just don't know how to handle it. And I,
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my take on that is like handle the
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death of someone by suicide the same way you would handle
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any other type of death. Don't exclude them from your
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social group because they still need connection.
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Don't be whispering behind their back.
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Be present there for them.
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And it's not a, it's not a grief that just goes away. It
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will stick with you for the rest of your life. I still have questions
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like, why didn't I see the signs? Like, why?
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Why didn't they come to. Why didn't they speak up? I know now from my
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own personal experience why,
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But I don't know. Just don't be a dick, okay? Because
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that's a good one. I'm sorry, but like, that, that's how it is.
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Like, just don't be a dick to them. Like, they are grieving,
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they've lost their person. And
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when you lose your person, a part of you
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goes away, too. And we're, you know, we're trying to
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regroup and find the things that we can trust and
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deal with our own emotions. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. And
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I. I'm thinking of something that you just said, made me think about
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the position that a lot of people who have survived
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suicide loss, especially with a partner, especially with a spouse,
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where you were a unit, you went and did all these things together.
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I think the thing that people who are
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engaging with those survivors are thinking is
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let's get them out. I mean, a lot of cases, you know, some people back
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away, other people are like, no, no, no, let's get them out and make them
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social and introduce them and fill
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their calendar. And while that's
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incredibly kind and thoughtful in a lot of ways,
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there's a big component of
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isolation that really kind of in some ways needs to happen when someone
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loses their partner because they have now got to
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redefine themselves. They have an entirely new
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identity. And you gotta give people
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grace to. Because if they don't want to
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go to the event, don't force them to go to the
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event. Don't put them in a position of having to give you
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an excuse or a reason or to fight with
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you. Let them do what they need
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to do at their own pace. Because let me tell
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you something, if you're talking about grief
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from the suicide loss perspective,
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friends, that is a marathon and not a sprint.
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Imagine a race that never, ever ends, okay? The
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terrain just changes. That's what grief is,
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especially grief attached to suicide loss.
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Because let me tell you something. There are always things in
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this world that you're going to see that you're going to hear, that you're going
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to experience, that are going to trigger you. It could be five years out, it
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could be 50 years out, and
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you're in a pool of your own tears on the bathroom floor.
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So the key here is be
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gentle with the people. You've said it. You. You've already said it today.
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Be gentle with the people who have lost someone and let them set
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the pace. And that doesn't just go for people
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that were partners. So that goes for people that were friends,
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people that were co workers. Be kind, because
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they're already dealing with it on their own terms
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and they may not know how to, how to
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handle it. And if they isolate for a little
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bit, let them isolate. Maybe that is their way of dealing.
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But if they do call, offer an ear
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and don't judge. There's no room for
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judging in the world of suicide. You
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absolutely have zero idea what's going through somebody's head
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when they get to that point. Yeah, that's such
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an important point to make in any conversation
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about suicide loss. Because people are very
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quick to judge in life in general, not just with
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this particular subject, but people
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judge us for what we drive and where we live and
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what we wear. And those things are bad enough.
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When you start throwing your judgment around about
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someone who has ended their life,
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well, that is next level douchiness
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that you just do not want to put out
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into the world. Because there
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is almost always a reason
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that does not have anything to do with I
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wanted to leave my people or I wanted to leave my life. There is a
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deeper, darker reason. Suicide is the
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byproduct of depression, which is a byproduct of
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mental illness. So. So anybody who's going to make an
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idiotic comment about someone
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taking their life, having it be selfish, or why couldn't it be stopped?
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You don't know unless you know what you're
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talking about. So don't even make the comments.
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So I have five things that are going to be helpful to say
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and five things that you should avoid saying. Did you get that
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off the help hub? No, I got it from another place.
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Oh, good. But I'm just going to go ahead and say these and then we
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can move on. If you're okay with that. I'm okay with anything you do.
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Okay, so here's some helpful things you can say. I don't know what
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to say, but I'm here for you. I can't imagine
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what you're going through, but I care deeply. You don't have
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to talk if you don't want to. I'm just here to sit with
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you. Fourth is it's okay to
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feel angry, confused, numb, or all of it.
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And you're not alone. So those are like five
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things you can say. All right, now these are the
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ones that you shouldn't say because it's total dick move
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on your part. There's they're in
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a better place. Okay, that can really invalidate somebody's feelings.
00:20:39
Don't say that. That's. That one hurts. At least they're not
00:20:42
suffering anymore.
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Everything happens for a reason. Oh, oh.
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Did you see it coming? Were there signs? Okay, I'm going to tell
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you, in my case, no and no.
00:20:58
And like, why would you even say that? But people do. But
00:21:01
people do. You've got to be strong, okay?
00:21:06
Grievers should not feel pressured just to perform strength,
00:21:10
okay? They went through something very, very, very difficult.
00:21:14
Be kind, be compassionate,
00:21:19
be understanding, be non
00:21:22
judgmental. That's what is helpful. Those
00:21:26
were. Those were incredibly helpful.
00:21:30
I live all these things. I. This is. This is my world. This is your
00:21:34
world. I couldn't have said it any better than you just said it. And that
00:21:37
was, I think, such a powerful takeaway that people can actually have. It's
00:21:41
so important. This is one of the things you and I try so hard to
00:21:44
do in every episode. We try to have the conversation. We try to put
00:21:48
the topic out there in the mainstream, but we're also trying really
00:21:52
hard to give you takeaways.
00:21:55
So if you're now in a situation where someone you know has lost
00:21:59
someone, maybe you'll rewind your brain a little bit
00:22:03
back to this conversation and remember a couple of the things G said to
00:22:06
say and not to say. And that will be helpful. So
00:22:11
yay for you doing that, because that was just so powerful.
00:22:14
Okay, can I give four ways that you can just show up for people?
00:22:18
Yes. Okay, so there's four ways you can just show
00:22:22
up. Just be there. You know, grief needs a witness, not
00:22:26
fixes. Just be there. Offer
00:22:29
specific help. Don't say, hey, if you need anything, let me know.
00:22:33
Instead, try. I'm headed to the store. Can I grab you some
00:22:36
groceries? Would it help if I walk your dog this week?
00:22:40
Do things like that. Respect their grief.
00:22:44
Not everybody wants to talk about it right away. Let
00:22:47
them guide that pace and remember the person
00:22:51
they lost. Say their name. You can say things like,
00:22:55
hey, I saw some sunflowers today and I thought of her smile.
00:22:59
Or I remember the time he made us all laugh until we cried.
00:23:04
Say their name. Just because they took their life
00:23:08
by suicide doesn't mean you can't still say their name.
00:23:12
It doesn't invalidate that life. Yes.
00:23:16
It's like how we shouldn't judge people by their worst
00:23:19
mistake. We also shouldn't judge people
00:23:24
by how their life ended
00:23:28
in the same way, you know.
00:23:32
And just stay curious, but not intrusive. Find out what
00:23:36
they need. Offer love. Don't pressure them to answer
00:23:39
questions that they may not be prepared or ever want to answer.
00:23:43
And listen more than you speak. Hold space.
00:23:47
You know, it's a very, very
00:23:51
gracious thing to just come right out and
00:23:54
ask someone who's lost someone, whether, whether it's to
00:23:58
suicide or to anything. Ask that person,
00:24:03
hey, would it help or would it hurt to talk about your
00:24:06
person right now? Yes, just that simple.
00:24:11
And I know in my case, and we talked about this in the last episode
00:24:14
where you and I were bawling our eyes out about how a friend of
00:24:18
mine on Father's Day shouted out a post to my father
00:24:22
specifically. And not many people in the world are left who knew my father
00:24:25
personally. And he is someone who did. And that was the
00:24:29
greatest gift in the world to have my
00:24:33
father be recognized in that way. And I know a lot of people feel that
00:24:35
way. So it's always gonna be a no harm, no foul situation
00:24:39
when you just ask if that's cool or not cool.
00:24:44
Yeah. And, you know, just be present and be human. Yeah.
00:24:48
Yeah. And, and one, one last thing before,
00:24:51
before we kind of wrap this conversation is that
00:24:55
we've talked a lot about ways in which we can have the
00:24:59
hard conversations, how to show up for your people.
00:25:03
If you don't have someone in your life,
00:25:07
if you don't have a community or a partner or a family or a
00:25:11
support system, you're still. You're still never alone.
00:25:15
There are always hotlines. The
00:25:19
one that comes to mind that we talk about in every episode that we record
00:25:22
is of course, the 988 crisis suicide hotline. That
00:25:25
is not just for people who are feeling suicidal. That is for
00:25:29
anyone who is experiencing any kind of
00:25:32
mental stress, strain, anxiety,
00:25:36
homelessness, abuse, loneliness, you
00:25:40
name it. Anything goes to call 988.
00:25:44
You do not have to be suicidal. But there, there are support
00:25:47
groups. If you don't have your own personal support group,
00:25:51
they're virtual. I know I personally moderate a
00:25:55
group the first and the third Wednesday of every month
00:25:59
through Samaritan south coast here in Boston called Safe Place Place.
00:26:03
And we can put that in the show notes. It is a very specific kind
00:26:06
of group. It's for survivors of suicide loss and I moderate that.
00:26:10
And that's a virtual group. There are plenty of in person groups.
00:26:14
Seek out a trauma informed therapist. That is a big
00:26:18
deal. When you're talking about a therapist who understands trauma
00:26:21
versus one who doesn't. That is a game changer in terms of the kind
00:26:25
of conversations you're going to have and, and, and also
00:26:28
storytelling, just the act of being in places where you
00:26:32
can share your story. Maybe it's over social media, maybe
00:26:36
it's in a group, maybe it's over the phone, maybe it's
00:26:40
journaling. There are a million different ways that you can do that to help you
00:26:43
process your loss. Do that, seek those things out or
00:26:47
seek out a friend that you know has lost someone. If, if you have
00:26:51
someone like that in your life to have that kind of a connection with. Because
00:26:54
it's a next level conversation when you know that you're talking to somebody who has
00:26:58
experienced the same thing that you've experienced. And
00:27:02
I think the bottom line to all of this is that
00:27:06
connection helps us feel less alone
00:27:10
and it helps us to heal. It's
00:27:14
as simple as that. You know, grieving,
00:27:17
grieving at all sucks. Grieving after suicide
00:27:21
sucks. It's messy, it's traumatic,
00:27:25
but we can still heal from it. And
00:27:28
we do that when we stop healing by ourselves. And we,
00:27:32
we reach out to the, to the places and the people around. Us who are
00:27:36
there, you know, and life is short.
00:27:41
So make those conversations matter. Not just for you,
00:27:45
but for the person who's truly grieving. Approach it with kindness
00:27:50
and hold space. That's all we've got
00:27:54
and I hope it's enough. But we'll be back.
00:27:58
I guarantee it. We'll be back next week to do it all over again. We
00:28:01
sure will. I love you, boo. Love you. Bye bye.
00:28:08
Thanks for joining us on the Survivors. Remember, no matter how tough things
00:28:12
feel, you are enough and the world needs you just the way you are.
00:28:16
You're not alone in this journey. There's a community here and every step forward
00:28:19
counts. We're so grateful you took the time to listen and we hope you'll
00:28:23
take one day at a time. Just know there's always more light ahead.
00:28:28
Thanks for being here, friends. Just remember, help is out there
00:28:32
in so many different places. So if you or someone you know is struggling,
00:28:36
please call 988 and a. Trained crisis counselor like me will be
00:28:40
there to help. You can also find an inclusive and. Comprehensive directory of
00:28:43
mental health resources, tools and content at
00:28:46
thehelphub.co. Just remember that help is always
00:28:50
just. A call or a click away. We'll catch you next week. In the
00:28:53
meantime, keep surviving.