In this candid episode, Lisa and Gretchen reunite to mark National Suicide Prevention Month with an unfiltered conversation about the realities of mental health struggles. Together, they explore the power of connection, the critical importance of vulnerability, and how small acts, like a text, a call, or asking “How are you really?”—can literally save a life.
Episode Description:
In honor of Suicide Prevention Month, Lisa and Gretchen dig into what it really means to take action—not just spread awareness—when it comes to saving lives. With compassion, lived experience, and hard-won wisdom, they explore how empathy, connection, and vulnerability can change the course of someone’s tomorrow.
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Episode Lessons & Key Takeaways:
- Awareness is not enough—action saves lives.
- Connection is protection. A text, call, or check-in can be life-changing.
- Take off the mask. Vulnerability isn’t weakness—it's healing.
- Reframe the narrative. Practice positive self-talk and challenge shame.
- You are not alone. The 988 Lifeline and countless resources are here for you.
- Baby steps count. Healing doesn’t happen overnight—but it starts with one brave step.
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0:00 – Intro & Sponsor: Schoser Talent and Wellness Solutions
1:06 – Why Suicide Prevention Month Matters
3:44 – Powerful Stats that Demand Action
5:24 – Gretchen’s Story: The Call that Changed Her Life
7:06 – Connection as a Lifeline
10:32 – How to Support Others (and Ourselves)
14:41 – Break the Cycle: Speak Up, Share, Support
18:25 – Positive Self Talk & Therapy Tools
22:08 – Prioritizing Yourself Without Guilt
25:26 – The Call to Action: Reach Out, Check In
27:39 – Final Words: Baby Steps, Always Forward
30:20 – Outro: You Are Enough 💜
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The Survivors is brought to you by. Our friends at Schoser Talent and Wellness
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Solutions. This podcast mentions suicide, mental illness,
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grief and loss and may be triggering for some listeners. So please
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take care of your mental well being by pausing or skipping any sections
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that feel uncomfortable to you. And if you or someone you know is struggling, please
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call 988 for support.
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You and I have been apart for a while. A while.
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Yep. Yep. Because I went off the grid for a little bit
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because my daughter was here from out of the country.
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And we just kind of huddled together as a little family, hugging
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each other for two weeks. And I didn't get on my phone. I
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didn't do anything. And it was the very best thing in the
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world for my mental health. But now we're back, and I literally have not seen
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your face live. That was the longest we've ever gone without seeing each other.
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I know. It's kind of scary, right? I know, right? But we just slid right
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back in like an old sneaker. So here we are. And, you
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know, do you know what it is right this minute? I don't know. Tell
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me. It's actually September.
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And that means it's National Suicide Prevention Month. And we
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are here to share that together and to talk about
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all the things that need to be talked about
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this month and all the other months. And it's that
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time just to stop and just to pay attention
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for a minute a little bit deeper than we usually do, and to
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commit to being part of the solution. That's how I feel.
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And I know that's how you feel it is. Because
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when you think about all of it, all these awareness months, and
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there are so many of them, and I do appreciate all of them,
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especially this one. Awareness is important. But what I'm
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learning is that awareness without any action to support
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it, does not really accomplish a
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lot. And in this case, it doesn't really save
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people's lives. So I thought today
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we could talk about how preventing
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suicide goes deeper, way
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deeper than just knowing all the
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statistics. Like you and I talk about statistics all the time. But it's so much
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more than that. It's about building a
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culture, or in our case, a community, which is what you and I have been
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doing now for a long time, where
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compassion and care for each other and for what we're
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all going through is at the center of that. So does that sound
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like a conversation that you'd like to have? It would be a great conversation
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to have because there's so much that plays into that.
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Yeah, I mean, awareness itself
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Is like, the tip of it all. And
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when you think about it, like, okay, now I am going to talk statistics for
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a second because it is relevant in the case of
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suicide prevention month.
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50 people like, these statistics blow me away every time I hear them, and I
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talk about them all the time. 50, 50 people die
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by suicide in the US every year,
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roughly. That's one person
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every 11 minutes. That's one of the stats
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that really hits me. And I know that we've talked about the global
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statistic a lot over the last couple of seasons, which is that
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over 700 people die by suicide
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every year around the world, or
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one every 40 seconds, which, again, it's like, you know, I'm not a mathematically
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oriented person, but there are certain things that. God, they just
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hit me. That one hits me.
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Yeah. I've been following a group on
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Facebook, and they talk a lot about suicide
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awareness and people that are grieving from suicide loss
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and. And just the connection
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and the community and really helping to try and prevent
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more suicides. I feel like sometimes our messages fall
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on deaf ears, but I want people to
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realize that, you know, you are loved, wanted, and needed in this world, and the
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world's a better place because you're here. And no matter how crappy
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today feels, tomorrow could be way better.
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Yeah. And in my case, that's what it was.
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It's as hard as everything was on that Christmas Day,
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life got so much better after I
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finally got myself into therapy and started really realizing
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what was important. Yeah. And that's the
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thing that you can't see when you're in that
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state of mind. And you would know this better having
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been on the survivor side in terms of having those
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ideations and wanting to end your life and
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going so far as to look up how you were gonna do this
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thing. You would know better than anyone
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how you were feeling, how desperate you felt, and how
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alone you probably felt with your wife downstairs.
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Yeah. In the same place. Yeah. And it's gotta
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be an awful feeling. And it was,
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because here's what was going on in my head is I
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couldn't fix what was going on, and I'm a
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fixer. I couldn't make those feelings go
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away, no matter what. I tried and I tried everything,
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but once I made that phone call to
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988, everything started to make sense.
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I will say it again and again, the lady that answered that call that day
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was the most compassionate person I've ever spoken to, and
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she helped me see what was going on. But for people out there that
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have never had those kinds of feelings before. Yeah, it's terrifying.
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I was terrified. Yeah. Yeah. Well, okay, so
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you saying what you just said makes me think
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of a point that I think is so important to make this
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month and in general when we're talking about suicide awareness
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and prevention is that connection.
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I'm thinking about your call to 988. And then after that,
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I know the story. You reached out, you talked to your wife. You
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slowly started talking to other people in your
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community and in your family and so on, and there was a
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ripple effect, but it was. It was connection. You made connection.
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And that connection is a form of protection.
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That's what I think. So many people don't necessarily understand
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why. It's why you and I keep talking over and over and over again
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about. Share your story. And. Okay, maybe you're just not
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someone who wants to share your story. You don't want to write it. You don't
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want to go on a podcast. You don't want to talk about it. You don't
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want to post about it. Okay. That's your prerogative. You. You don't have to do
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that. What you owe it to yourself to do
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and what you owe it to the people who are close to you to do
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is to reach out and connect with people. Because. And
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here's the thing. Here's the reason why people who feel
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that sense of belonging or that that connection are
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significantly less likely to attempt
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suicide. It's that isolation. It's that
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loneliness. It's that. That are the greatest risk
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factors and prevention. And you know this because
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you do this all the time. Like you and I text each other all the
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time and. And have open, honest conversations. You just
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sending a simple text. I know every week you. You do that
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with your people just to just. Just to check in, just
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to give somebody a lifeline. And what we don't often realize is that those connections
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that we have with people, even if it's a hello, that might be the only
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connection somebody gets in a day. But it matters.
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It does. You know, communication is huge. And
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for the people out there that are extroverts and we all like to throw on
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our masks and pretend everything's okay, maybe take your mask
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off. I did.
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Nothing horrible happened out of it. Actually, I ended up getting better
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because I. I decided to say screw it with the
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shame and the stigma and feeling weak because I couldn't fix
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myself. And I was tired of feeling the way I was feeling.
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And so my challenge to everyone out there is
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Take that mask off and let people see you for who you are.
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As hard as it is, people
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still want to be able to talk to you. They still want to be able
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to hug you. They still want to be able to text you.
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Do it for you. Don't do it for anybody else. Do it for you.
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Because the worst thing in life is
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walking around feeling as depressed as I did.
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Yeah, well, that's what keeps people silent. It's that stigma.
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You just talked about it. It's the stigma that keeps people isolated in
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their own heads. And it's only, I
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think, in my own experience, when we replace
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that feeling of judgment with a little bit of empathy,
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that's when we create spaces where people feel safe enough
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to come out, safe enough to take off the mask, safe enough to have the
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conversation, safe enough to be vulnerable. And that's what so much of
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this is. It's. It's like, I definitely do not want to oversimplify this, especially for
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somebody who may be listening, who is in that really,
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really, really bad, isolated headspace, because I'm
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sure that at this stage of the game, you
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and I are hopefully reaching a really wide cross
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section of people who have either lost people or grieving people or trying to
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help people are struggling themselves. So
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if you're listening and you're not
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okay, two things that you need
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to be doing are, number one, reach out to someone,
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whether it be 988, whether it be a family member, a friend,
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a coworker, someone somewhere that you trust.
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And also be vulnerable even when it
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hurts, because the alternative is not okay.
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The alternative means you're not okay. Yes,
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100%. And we
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need.
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It's hard to say this because I've been there. It's hard
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to come up for air when your head won't
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stop with other craziness going on.
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But know that you're okay. Know that it's okay to let people know what's
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going on, because we're not mind readers. Your friends, your family,
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your co workers, nobody knows what's really going on unless you
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allow them to come in. Allow people to come in.
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Because your true friends and your family,
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they're going to see you for where you're at and
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they'll meet you there for people that are on the other side
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and you're seeing the downward spiral.
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Just let them know you're there. Let them know that you know you're
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there as a friend, you're there as a caregiver, as a
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coworker, whoever you are. Just let them Know that you
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will. You're there to, you know, help them out in whatever capacity
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they might need. And a lot of times I'm going to tell you, we don't
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know what we need because it's all kind of new to us.
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And that's important. That's important to acknowledge that when you're
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not okay, it impacts everything.
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It impacts your relationships, it impacts,
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in a lot of cases, your job. It impacts, of course, your
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mental wellness, your physical wellness. I mean, depression is a
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heavy, heavy thing that in and of itself
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can keep you from getting out of bed every day, can keep you from
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making the connections that you usually make every day.
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So it becomes so important, especially
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in the world that we're living in now where there is so much turmoil
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and there's so much collective stress. All we ever have to do is turn
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on the news and everyone is impacted by what we
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see and what's happening to us. Whether it's politics or whether it's
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a religious crisis somewhere, or whether
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it's just navigating the plain
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old day to day of life that is heavy
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just by nature in so many cases. Like, we all carry a
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lot. And when you layer on top of all the other stuff, being
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emotionally unwell, well, that just is more than enough
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to send somebody into a spiral. And then here's the thing.
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When someone is in that headspace alone,
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and I'm making the argument now for why it's so important to say what's going
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on in your head when someone is alone with all of that
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heaviness and those thoughts and, and they're swimming, swimming around
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in that, that pool of heaviness,
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that's the only thing they're experiencing. There is nothing to disrupt that
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cycle. There is nothing to change that narrative.
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And it's. When you talk to people, how many times, how many times in your
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life, God, how many times you and I have been on the phone, we've been
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talking, and you'll tell me something and you've got something in your head, or I'll
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tell you something, I have something in my head and I feel like it's
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so much bigger or you feel like it's so much bigger until you share it
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with me or until I share it with you, and then we're both like, oh,
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well, that's not really that big of a deal, is it? You know, it's. And
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the point I'm making is that it's when we
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verbalize a lot of the things that are going on in our heads that just
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keep replaying on these endless little loops. That's when
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we recognize like, okay, let's get a little perspective here. Maybe
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we have somebody else's input here. Maybe we recognize that thing, things
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are fixable or doable or manageable
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in a way we didn't when we were locked inside our own head with our
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It is, and believe me, I know how hard it is.
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It took a call to 988 in order for me to open up,
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but I'm thankful because I'm alive today and I, I get to
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see like a lot of my dreams and hopes coming true. And
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offer yourself patience and grace. Okay, like we're all
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dealing with something. Like,
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just because you're not feeling good in your own
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headspace, don't do the negative self talk because it's. Because it really
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doesn't help. It just exasperates the what's going
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on. And if you're standing
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around someone and they are, you know, saying bad stuff
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about themselves, like reframe that. So reframe
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it back to them, but in a more positive tone.
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Yeah, that's a great suggestion and that's, that's powerful.
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It's like this is a totally different example, but it's
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like how you can almost trick
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yourself into going to the gym, for instance. You think,
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oh, it's gonna be such a slog. I don't wanna get out of bed, it's
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too early, it's too cold, it's too dark, blah, blah, blah. We can
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give ourselves a thousand different reasons to not
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do the thing, but it's when we spin it and say,
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I get to do this. I get to do this for
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myself. I get to have this quiet time. I get to fuel my body,
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I get to fuel my brain. You know what I'm saying? Does
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that, does that make sense? It's just more like positive self talk can
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be that X factor
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in making something that was not okay in our brains okay.
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It is. And the more
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you do a positive self talk, the better you
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feel. Right. Um, something that my therapist taught me is
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every time I get ready to say something mean
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to myself, take a second and
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reframe that as saying something good. It takes
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a lot of brain power to do that. But it also
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makes you take a pause. It does. And
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really think about what you want to say to yourself.
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And instead of using you statements, use I
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statements. I did this today.
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I'm grateful of this. Don't stand in the mirror and say,
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you suck. Okay. Okay. Because you don't suck.
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You're going through a really hard time in your life,
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probably trying to just make it to that next minute. And I get
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it. Life. Life gets really lifey. Sometimes.
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It does. And in thinking about what you're saying about how
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we talk to ourselves, I'll take it one step further
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and say when you're in those moments where
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you want to be critical of yourself or you want to bash
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yourself for something, stop and think, would
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I ever say this to somebody I care about? You
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would never say the things to
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someone else that you would say to yourself. I'm guilty of that. I am for
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sure guilty of that. It's so easy to look at ourselves
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and be critical and find fault. And I think with
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a lot of us, that's where so many of our insecurities and our issues
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start. Because we're not compassionate with ourselves when we need
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to be the most. Yeah. Like when
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we talk bad to ourselves, it's like sending an angry text.
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Because those are the conversations that you would never have face to face with
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somebody, but you have no problem sending them a text.
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Like, don't. Just don't do it. Be kind. Rewind.
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Yeah. Yeah. Like rethink it. Yeah.
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And I think a lot of what we're talking about
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feels like we're giving suggestions for how to break
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cycles here, which I know is what I'm secretly trying
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to do. And I think you're probably secretly trying to do that too. Like, okay,
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don't do this thing that we're always used to doing, like disrupt,
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disrupt the thought process, disrupt
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the actions, disrupt the narrative. And,
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and the way that we do that is
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often in very, very small, innocuous ways.
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And like we already said, one of those ways is by being
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gentler to ourselves or
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maybe prioritizing something that we need
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because we need it, versus giving all of our energy and
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attention to the people around us. I know I was guilty of
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that for the longest time and it had me in a terrible terr
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headspace because I kept putting myself dead last. And
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I think that that's where so many people
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run into problems because all of a sudden now it isn't about you
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anymore. You've made it about everybody else but you. So
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what's important to you is no longer a priority. What you need
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is no longer considered. And people just
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get caught in this downward spiral because
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we don't think about ourselves anymore in the ways that we should.
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You know, we're always so busy asking everybody else, like, how are you?
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How are you? And that, what do you need? What's going on with you? And
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those are great things. And I am a big believer that we
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need to be more of a collectivist society in, in
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every way, but in, especially in this way where we
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look after each other's wellness. I think it's our
00:21:38
obligation. Definitely it's our obligation. And I know that you agree with that
00:21:42
because we've had offline conversations about that. But
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how often do we ask ourselves, how are we really doing and how
00:21:50
impactful would that be if we really did that
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on the regular and stopped sitting with everybody else's pain and kind of
00:21:58
sat with our own and said, oh, I am really not okay right now and
00:22:02
here's why, and here's what I need. And then you go do the
00:22:06
thing that you need. Wouldn't that be something? Huh? I think that's easy for people
00:22:09
to do that aren't empaths. But if you're an
00:22:13
empath, you need to learn to put that shield up
00:22:17
and deflect because your well being is
00:22:20
just as important as everybody else's well being.
00:22:25
Check in with yourself on a regular basis. I do it at least
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twice a day. I check in in the morning, I check in at night.
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I should probably try and check in during the middle of the day, but I'm
00:22:35
usually a little busy and forget about it. But
00:22:39
you're worth having in this world and your
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Mental health matters. And you may think, like, I can't
00:22:47
afford to go see a therapist, I don't know what to do. There are numbers
00:22:50
you can call. You can call the 988 suicide and crisis hotline.
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You can go and find a support group,
00:22:59
like minded people that are going through something similar to what
00:23:03
you're going through. It helps, but just know that
00:23:07
as a community, we can help lift
00:23:11
people up instead of keep bashing them down so that they
00:23:14
can make it to that next minute, next hour, next day.
00:23:18
But it starts with us and how we talk to ourselves
00:23:22
and how we treat ourselves and how we consider ourselves.
00:23:26
And it's the oxygen mask in the airplane
00:23:30
again, all over again, over and over again. We cannot
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be helpful to anyone else if we
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are not helpful to ourselves and taking care of
00:23:41
ourselves. So all of this
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is to say that
00:23:49
we need to be better and at doing two things.
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Number one, considering ourselves and
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taking care of ourselves. Those things go hand in hand. And
00:24:02
number two, also keeping our eyes out on the people around us.
00:24:06
It's important. It's what we need to be doing.
00:24:09
Yes, obviously it's Suicide Prevention Month,
00:24:13
so we all are a little bit extra this month, but we
00:24:17
shouldn't be extra this month, we should be extra all the months. So
00:24:22
I do hope that we can just continue this conversation over and over and over
00:24:25
again. And I know that you and I will, and I hope everybody else out
00:24:28
there will. And so here are some takeaways as we
00:24:32
start to wind this conversation down. Take a step.
00:24:37
Take one step. If you're listening to this right now
00:24:41
and you're not okay, or you're listening to this and
00:24:44
you're close to someone who's not okay and you want to help
00:24:48
them, either you yourself or encourage
00:24:52
your friend, reach out to someone you care about
00:24:55
this week. Do it this week.
00:24:59
Either check in with yourself and do that inventory and
00:25:03
see how you're really doing or reach out to the person you're worried
00:25:06
about. How are they really doing? What do they
00:25:10
really need from you? How can you best support yourself
00:25:14
or support a friend who might need help?
00:25:18
Because if we don't ask the questions, we
00:25:21
won't know how to help.
00:25:26
And you know, it's all about, we're all in this
00:25:29
together and I would much rather
00:25:33
have somebody reach out to me. That is not a good headspace.
00:25:38
Then be kind of left wondering. So
00:25:43
yeah, it's true. And look, here are some more takeaways
00:25:49
as we kick off Suicide Prevention
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Month. It is again our obligation
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to look after the people around us. And
00:26:01
we do that in lots of different ways nowadays. We can do it with a
00:26:05
text, we can do it with a phone call. We can do it by saying,
00:26:07
hey, let's go for a walk, let's get coffee, let's get dinner, let's do a
00:26:10
thing together. But there are so many other ways that the
00:26:14
world we live in allows us to kind of
00:26:18
globally do our part in a very easy way. Post about the
00:26:21
988 crisis lifeline. If you have any
00:26:25
kind of social media whatsoever, just post
00:26:29
the number and say, if you're struggling, call
00:26:32
988. Period. Hit post. That's all you need to do.
00:26:36
Go to resources
00:26:40
like national alliance on Mental Illness or the American foundation for
00:26:43
Suicide Prevention or Samaritans. You can go to my
00:26:47
platform, the Help Hub. Go to thehelphub.co to
00:26:51
find a humongous directory
00:26:54
of crisis support tools and hotlines
00:26:58
and resources and share that.
00:27:02
Share all of those platforms and organizations, because you
00:27:06
never know who will see it at exactly
00:27:09
the right time and need one of the resources that
00:27:13
you're sharing. And last thing, last
00:27:17
kind of call to action. Make it personal. If you're
00:27:20
struggling, take one step. Look what G did.
00:27:24
G was struggling. Ji took one step.
00:27:28
She picked up the phone, called 988. And maybe you need to call
00:27:31
a friend or a family member or a different
00:27:35
helpline or you need to call a therapist for the first time.
00:27:39
Make it personal and take a step for
00:27:43
yourself. I'm telling you,
00:27:47
your life will be much better with that step. I was afraid
00:27:50
when I made that call. My hand was shaking so bad, but at
00:27:54
the same time, I was really tired of feeling the way I was feeling.
00:27:59
Yeah. And when you think about it, I mean, I don't know if I've ever
00:28:02
asked you how long that phone call was, because I know they range
00:28:07
a. Little over an hour and a half. Okay, all right. So
00:28:11
an hour and a half you invested in yourself.
00:28:16
An hour and a half changed the course of the rest of your life.
00:28:19
Not overnight, not in a day or a week, or maybe even a
00:28:23
month. No, more like two years. But still.
00:28:27
But it shifted, right? That was
00:28:31
the moment. That was the thing. So maybe it's a single
00:28:35
conversation with a friend. Maybe it's a single conversation on a lifeline. Maybe it's a
00:28:38
single post that you see some random person on
00:28:42
Instagram or TikTok post that has
00:28:46
information that resonates with you, that
00:28:50
most often can be the catalyst, that can be the thing
00:28:54
that changes things. And so here's
00:28:58
the message and my final thoughts.
00:29:03
Suicide prevention. That's what we're talking about. Suicide prevention is not
00:29:07
just about a single day or a month or a
00:29:11
campaign. It's about all of these choices
00:29:15
that we make every single solitary day to
00:29:18
connect to people who we need
00:29:22
to connect with or who need us to care about other
00:29:26
people, to be compassionate. Because every
00:29:30
single one of us has the responsibility to be part of the solution.
00:29:34
And we can fix it. We can. Baby steps.
00:29:38
Just remember, baby steps. Nothing got changed in a day. Right?
00:29:42
Baby steps and baby steps. Forward motion is still forward
00:29:45
motion. It is indeed.
00:29:49
Indeed it is. I'm really glad we had this conversation. I'm grateful that we
00:29:53
are in a position to be able to talk about these things
00:29:57
in a place where hopefully others will listen and others
00:30:01
will feel what we feel when we talk about it.
00:30:05
So I really hope that the people who need to hear this are hearing it.
00:30:10
And I'll see you next week. I'll see you next week. And I'll love you
00:30:13
just as much next week as I do right now. Yes, ma'. Am. Have a
00:30:16
good one. I will. I'll see you soon.
00:30:20
Thanks for joining us on the Survivors. Remember, no matter how tough things
00:30:24
feel, you are enough and the world needs you just the way you are.
00:30:28
You're not alone in this journey. There's a community here and every step forward
00:30:32
counts. We're so grateful you took the time to listen and we hope you'll
00:30:35
take one day at a time. Just know that there's always more light ahead.
00:30:40
Thanks for being here. Friends, just remember, help is out there.
00:30:44
In so many different places. So if you or someone you know is struggling,
00:30:48
please call 988 and a trained crisis counselor like me will be
00:30:52
there to help. You can also find an inclusive and comprehensive directory of
00:30:55
mental health resources, tools and content at
00:30:58
thehelphub.co. just remember that help is always
00:31:02
just a call or a click away. We'll catch you next week. In the
00:31:05
meantime, keep surviving.